The Work of Warriors

Kim Rapach (00:07.32)
Producers and leaders who intentionally create environments that induce connection, emphasize wellbeing and understand our human need to matter. Add value and be valued, have more creative, productive and happier teams.

That's a quote from today's guest. As a transformative force in the film industry, Capella is a dynamic speaker, facilitator and coach who combines the power of storytelling with the science of wellbeing. She is a leader in nurturing relational and creative cultures within.

Kim Rapach (01:02.689)
in organizations.

Kim Rapach (01:07.854)
She is a leader in nurturing relational and creative cultures within organizations.

Today's guest is Capella Fahun.

Kim Rapach (01:34.039)
Hello.

Capella (01:38.134)
can't hear you.

Kim Rapach (01:39.988)
You can't hear me?

Kim Rapach (01:44.888)
Can you hear me? Nope, not yet.

Capella (01:50.573)
Say it again.

Capella (01:55.213)
Can hear me?

Kim Rapach (01:57.194)
A little. It's very faint. I have you turned all the way up. Can you hear me? Okay.

Capella (02:06.219)
Let's see.

Kim Rapach (02:07.95)
You just sound like you're really far away.

Capella (02:12.609)
Maybe I should log in and log back on.

Kim Rapach (02:15.63)
wanna try?

Capella (02:20.769)
I'm looking at all the settings, hold on.

Kim Rapach (02:21.132)
Let me see if I can't change something on my end. Let's try that.

Test? Can hear you? Say something.

Kim Rapach (02:35.884)
Now can you say something? I can. Are you just naturally soft spoken? Wait, it's getting better. It's getting better. Closer to your microphone. That's it. That's perfect.

Capella (02:36.99)
Yeah, can you hear me now? No girl Can you hear me through okay? Okay, you sound like my podcast producer, okay? Okay, but We need to have my earphones in right or it'll have like a echo or something

Capella (03:05.293)
Let me try.

Kim Rapach (03:06.638)
Okay, try that and closer to the microphone. Maybe that'll work for you.

Kim Rapach (03:14.254)
Can you hear me? No, you can't hear me with your AirPods in. Hmm.

Capella (03:20.727)
definitely in my settings but I can

Capella (03:29.855)
Okay, I selected my settings when I got on, so you can hear me now or you can't hear me.

Kim Rapach (03:34.528)
I can hear you and I can hear you really well. It's really nice when you're closer to the microphone. What kind of microphone do you have? I feel like we have the same one. Yes. But it usually picks up, like I don't have to be that close. You know what I mean? Okay, well maybe I should be closer. Is that better? Maybe we should both just be like this.

Capella (03:39.125)
Okay. The sure? Yeah. that sounded really good. Yeah, that sounds way better. That's funny. It does sound way better. Like it sounds richer.

Kim Rapach (03:59.147)
Okay, well...

All right, well then I'm going to move it closer. How's that? OK, so do you.

Capella (04:04.269)
Yeah, it sounds great, but now again I have you on open speaker So if long as that's okay with you, and it's not anything weird then let's go

Kim Rapach (04:16.34)
I have you on open speaker as well. And so, let's just trust that it will be fine. and then a lot, do you use Riverside for your podcast? So they fix so much in behind the scenes.

Capella (04:18.7)
Okay.

Capella (04:25.077)
And then a lot. Do you use Riverside for your podcast? I think so. So they fix so much in behind the scenes. Nice.

Kim Rapach (04:35.212)
I like your space.

Capella (04:35.479)
like your space. Thanks.

Kim Rapach (04:38.754)
Alright.

All right, are we ready to get started? Okay, I'm already recording, so I'll just chop all that out when we're done.

Capella (04:42.573)
I think so. Yeah, definitely. I can, thank you. It has, but well worth it. I can't, but if you can.

Kim Rapach (04:50.284)
So, hi, Kapala. Welcome to the work of warriors.

It's taken us a minute to get here.

Kim Rapach (05:01.012)
Well worth it. I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for saying yes. I am getting a little feedback. Can you hear it?

Kim Rapach (05:11.968)
I can. I've never heard it before.

Capella (05:11.981)
I I've never heard it before.

Kim Rapach (05:17.4)
I don't usually use headphones.

Capella (05:19.819)
Okay, say something.

Kim Rapach (05:21.56)
How's that? Test, test, test.

Capella (05:22.679)
Now, this is so irritating. I've done all my podcasts like this. Let me try another set of earphones.

Kim Rapach (05:47.008)
Okay, how's that? You can't hear me? That's so strange.

Capella (05:53.773)
Alright, let me turn you down a little bit. Okay, say something. So the feedback you were getting was me feeding back? You can hear my voice twice? My own, okay. Is that any better?

Kim Rapach (05:58.85)
How's that? Test.

Kim Rapach (06:04.544)
No, my own, I think.

I can't hear myself, so that works. Everything sound okay on your end? Okay, awesome. Well, I've already done your short introduction, so welcome Capella, how are you?

Capella (06:10.037)
Okay, alright, cool.

Capella (06:23.859)
Awesome. Thank you for having me Kim.

Kim Rapach (06:26.22)
I'm so excited that you're here. I know it's taken us a minute to figure it out, but definitely well worth the wait. And I'm just really grateful that you said yes.

Capella (06:37.119)
Of course. mean, this is your podcast is like my life's work. So I am proud to be here.

Kim Rapach (06:44.416)
I love that. know I was looking at your podcast too, and we have some mutual friends. We were introduced to each other through Amari Tewakley. And I believe you had him on your podcast.

Capella (06:50.39)
Yeah?

Capella (06:58.507)
Very interesting episode. It took a whole turn that we didn't expect or anticipated, and it made it so interesting.

Kim Rapach (07:01.92)
and

Kim Rapach (07:07.51)
Yeah, yeah, I listened to that a while back. Refresh my memory. What did you end up talking about?

Capella (07:14.477)
I think I asked him some question that brought up a whole bunch of ideas about identity and roles and it was just an interesting conversation. One must go back and listen to it because you know honestly Kim, yeah he brought up a lot of good stuff that

Kim Rapach (07:36.238)
I'll have to listen to that again. I have vague memory.

Capella (07:42.821)
I am hearing from his generation. And so it's definitely worth listening to because he's not alone.

Kim Rapach (07:51.299)
Yeah.

I loved my conversation with him as well. And then I was looking at your podcast and we have another mutual friend, Jody Wellman.

Capella (08:03.711)
my goodness. We could spend this whole podcast doting over Jodie Wellman, so I think we should just say it quickly and get out of it.

Kim Rapach (08:09.592)
Should we just do that? Today, Kim and Capella just all over Jodie Wellman. If you don't know Jodie Wellman and 4,000 Mondays, you have to check her out.

Capella (08:19.925)
Yeah. Just a kind person, a generous person, a funny person, a smart person.

Kim Rapach (08:26.304)
She's so funny. She's so funny. She was one of my first guests when I started the podcast about a year ago. And I was so grateful and she was great. Yeah. And you and her study similar positive psychology, correct?

Capella (08:37.506)
Yeah.

Capella (08:47.533)
So that's where I met her at University of Pennsylvania, Masters of Applied Positive Psychology. We call ourselves Mapsters. She is a Mapster and she was in the class above me, a couple classes above me, and was actually one of my assistant instructors. And we bonded pretty much right away because our emoji game was both like on par. And so when I got out of that student,

Kim Rapach (09:11.95)
you

Capella (09:15.573)
mode and I felt like I was more, you know, like credentialed in a way that was appropriate to approach her for a collaboration or a friendship. I did right away and then we've been kicking it ever since.

Kim Rapach (09:30.668)
love that. I love that. I love her. And you know, it's just that social circle when you have people who think similarly, not that we need to spend all of our time with people who think just like us. But when you have that connection, that authentic connection where you feel seen and known, and understood with very few words, it's just powerful.

Capella (09:53.795)
Community.

Kim Rapach (09:55.212)
Yeah, absolutely. So tell me about your experience in the film industry. Where did it start?

Kim Rapach (10:07.662)
We're just jumping right in. However far you want, I have it all day.

Capella (10:07.693)
How far do we go back? I think I have the Cliff Notes version, which I don't even know if people read Cliff Notes anymore. I'm sure there's much shorter versions of books than Cliff Notes nowadays. But I went to school for psychology, University of Michigan. Decided I wanted to work in the work field where I could make people's lives better at work.

You know, it's technically 33 % or if it's the film industry, it's probably 50 % of your time, your life, your day, your week, your year. And so I wanted to make that better, that 33 % better. So I found a program, it was at the University of Baltimore. It was an industrial organization. This is 100 years ago. And I went to Baltimore from Detroit. I'm from Detroit, East side. And I started this program. It was a master's program in IO psych.

So while I was in that program, I was doing what any psych student does to make money, and that is bartending at way tables, right? That's the most money we're ever gonna make with these psych degrees, sociology, I include you too. And so I used the five foot rule. Anyone within five feet, I let them know I was looking for a job. And I would say, I'll be very clear, like, look, I don't have any tangible skills, but people like me, I learn fast, I'm open, I'm coachable, I'm kind.

And so I ended up talking to this guy at lunchtime and he's like, I do know somebody who's hiring, bring me your resume. So I brought him my very sparse resume. I remember everything. His name was Bruce. He worked at an ad agency that was next to the restaurant. And every day he would come in for lunch. I'd be like, Bruce, did you pass my resume on? And he was like, yes, yes, she'll call you. And one day she called me and it was a woman named Rita who was the CEO of a

big production company in the DMV where I lived on the East Coast in Baltimore called Flight 3. And it took a long time, but Rita hired me and I learned everything right there. And I always say that I've been in this industry for 20 plus years and I've always felt like an outsider. I actually have a book that I'm writing called The Outsider's Guide to Filmmaking and Life in General. And it is a...

Capella (12:33.741)
I've always felt like an outsider because I didn't have the proper training, the schooling, know, the mentorship. I just had a whole bunch of people that liked me, that I could call them and ask them questions and they would answer it. And that's pretty much been my whole career. And so I've lived and I moved in this space in a very humble way because I know I'm only here by the generosity of others. And so when I go speak to anyone, usually like college film students, I always like walk in and I'll have like my...

Kim Rapach (12:54.958)
Hmm.

Capella (13:01.197)
PowerPoint and it'll say like, all right guys, I can talk about ideology or financing or top tier film festivals or streaming, but the way technology is, by the time I leave here, everything will have changed. But what will not have changed is the power of relationships and how we treat each other. So I say, okay, what do you guys want to talk about? This like boring stuff that you can read in a book or you could in a trade or this and how you can get any answer at the tip of your.

fingers if you have relationships and you treat people well.

Kim Rapach (13:34.498)
Wow, that's beautiful. Where does your drive to help people come from? Why did you even start psychology?

Capella (13:48.663)
think psychology is interesting, don't you? Why people behave the way they behave.

Kim Rapach (13:51.736)
Well, for sure. Yeah, I'm a social worker, have been for 20 plus years, yeah.

Capella (13:57.941)
Yeah, I think psychology has always been interesting. Why do people behave, how they behave, what motivates them? So that was always interesting to me. And then the workplace, which you it's totally changed now Kim, because when I went to, in my IO psych program 20 something years ago, it was, if I would have completed that program and moved on to the second phase of that,

it would have been human resources. That's what it was back then, human resources. This whole idea of well-being in a workplace was kind of fairly new. And so it's an exciting time, and I'm so glad that I took that deviation. And ironically, my first film that I ever produced was called The Euphoria Project, and it was for the National Institute of Health. And they gave us a grant to make a film to prevent or discourage

young people, young adults from getting on drugs. So here it is, I left psychology and I went into filmmaking and then my very first feature film really was about neuropsychology. mean, the director did such a good job. never mentioned drugs. He never said the bad things drugs did to you. All he did was talk about the good things that happen when you find something that you love and you're passionate about. Now here we are, fast forward 20 years.

Kim Rapach (15:19.918)
Hmm.

Capella (15:22.003)
And Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi calls that flow. But at the time, we didn't know what flow was. And flow is that sort of concept where your talents and the challenge are perfectly matched. Because if the challenge is too much and your talents or abilities are lower, it's going to create frustration, right? Or if your talents are too high and the challenge is not high enough, it's going to cause laziness or disinterest.

So that sort of perfect match of challenge and talent or ability. And it's that moment when you get lost in time, like five hours could have passed and you're just doing your thing and you're in the zone. That's flow. So what the director did in this film, The Euphoria Project, is he just talked about, we met with all kind of people that their flow was anything from tinkering with electronics to roller skating to running, like just anything that really was so

intrinsically satisfying and motivating to that person that they lost themselves.

Kim Rapach (16:26.126)
Where do you lose yourself?

Capella (16:30.165)
In my work, I hate to say.

I love...

Kim Rapach (16:36.14)
It's such a tough ledge sword, isn't it?

Capella (16:39.393)
But you know, it's funny because someone said to me, they're like, you really love this stuff. you know, because I can name off, you know, authors or I can cite stuff like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I was like, I love everything I do. Like, I loved filmmaking. They're like, yeah, you loved filmmaking, but not like this. Like this intersection of well-being and positive psychology, organizational dynamics, filmmaking is like, is my happy.

Kim Rapach (16:56.974)
Hmm.

Kim Rapach (17:06.414)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well, since we're here, why don't you say a little bit about what you do now?

Capella (17:17.101)
Well, my short pitch is I help creatives personally and professionally enhance their lives through what I call the obvious stuff. Like what I preach, Kim, it is not groundbreaking stuff. Like this is stuff, it's the obvious stuff. It is stuff we learned in kindergarten. It is stuff we were born with.

Kim Rapach (17:17.24)
You

Capella (17:46.49)
And I just think sometimes we have to be reminded.

Kim Rapach (17:53.804)
I would say similarly in the work that I do, I feel like I help people return to who they were before the world kicked the snot out of them. So it's back to those younger, more innocent, true sense of self who were you before the world marred you, right? Just to return. I have not. I have not.

Capella (18:01.997)
Mmm.

Capella (18:12.493)
Have you seen Wicked yet?

There's this one scene. So I do a workshop. It's called Life is a Working Title. And I go in. It's usually, it can be filmmakers, but usually it's non-filmmakers. And then I encourage them and I walk them through looking at their lives in acts. And I'm open to how you define an act. Like for me, I say my act one was in Detroit. I spent the first half of my life in Detroit. And then my act two is Baltimore.

Right, it's been second half of my life in Baltimore. My Act Three is Los Angeles. It's been my third half of my life in Los Angeles. And then really dissecting it and understanding like, okay, who are you in these stories? Are you the producer? Are you the star? Are you the co-star? Are you an audience member passively watching it? What's the costumes? I mean, I can honestly say like the beginning of my Act Three, my wardrobe was sweatpants. And I'm like, all right, this is not.

gonna be the wardrobe of my Act Three. Who is your cast? What's the location? What's the lighting? What's the vibe? So we go through those and there's a scene in Wicked that I've integrated into sort of my Act One practice and she's Elphaba.

the Wicked Witch, but we know she's not wicked, but the Wicked Witch. She's falling, and she hasn't really found out that she can fly, fly, fly like that yet. So she's falling, falling, like free-falling. And then she's falling against this building that's mirrored. And she's looking in a mirror at one point during the free-fall, and it's her little self looking back at her. And so that just touched me so much, because like you said, our little self.

Capella (20:11.307)
Like, what do we owe to our little self? What responsibility do we have to our little self?

Kim Rapach (20:14.15)
huh.

Kim Rapach (20:18.678)
I love that I do like more of a trauma informed coaching, but it's even with myself. Like if I feel dysregulated or overwhelmed or confused, can't make a decision. It's like, okay, what does little Kim need? It's probably not that different than what my current self needs. Yeah, it's beautiful.

Capella (20:39.305)
Mm-hmm. Now in your practice, talk to me about how gratitude is incorporated. Do you talk a lot about gratitude? Because when I'm in any sort of trauma, that is where I immediately go. It helps me every day from the good day. I'm about to cry now. From the good days to the bad days.

Kim Rapach (20:56.046)
Mm-hmm.

Kim Rapach (21:03.8)
Yep. Amen. Yeah, absolutely. So I talk about the four pillars of optimal mental health and the first being well-being and the first part of well-being is gratitude. And so part of my daily routine, I just did it a little bit ago is the first thing I start with in my journal is gratitude. And I write down five to 10 things that I'm grateful for. And it really resets your perspective. And we forget when we get dysregulated, we forget.

how much there is to be grateful for. And all of, you know, the other thing I focus on and like if I get on a coaching call, the first thing I ask her like, okay, what are the wins you've had since the last time we met? Because everybody wants to jump in with like, here's how bad everything is. And I'm not here to discount that and we'll get to that. But if you do not retrain your brain, just like when you drink more water, your body craves more water. When you focus on gratitude, you focus on what you're doing right. And what's going right.

and all that's going well and all the wins, your brain starts to crave more of that and that becomes a skill in life. Life is hard, but you need skills. so gratitude and focusing on those wins is a huge piece of my coaching.

Capella (22:17.229)
It's huge. I have a TikTok that I say like, I'm going to tell you something that will get you out of any situation. And I just truly believe it. Yeah. We'll leave it there.

Kim Rapach (22:36.664)
What's up?

Capella (22:37.407)
I said we'll leave it there. We can't go, I don't want to go too deep, but yes, gratitude is major in all aspects of life.

Kim Rapach (22:41.325)
We'll leave it.

Kim Rapach (22:54.446)
You have my curiosity peaked. You have my curiosity peaked.

Capella (22:56.876)
Hmm?

Capella (23:00.695)
Do I believe in curiosity?

Kim Rapach (23:03.008)
No, I said you have my curiosity peaked. Because you said I have this, this answer to that'll cure anything and then you're like, I'll leave it there.

Capella (23:11.007)
No, no, no. Well, gratitude. It's gratitude. And I have a strange...

Kim Rapach (23:14.357)
okay.

Capella (23:19.341)
I have a strange story that I've never really told. It's a strange story. You can cut it out if you want.

Kim Rapach (23:28.859)
I love stories. think stories are everything, so please do tell.

Capella (23:33.217)
This is getting way off topic. is getting a little, this is a little personal. But, yeah. So my mother and I were very, very, very, very close. Like my mother's spectacular. Just an amazing human. She was a waitress forever and then when we all graduated from high school, she went back to school, got her bachelor's, master's and PhD and she,

Kim Rapach (23:40.214)
Well, first of all, thank you for trusting me.

Capella (24:01.037)
wrote a dissertation that's literally this thick. If you want me to bring it to you, show it to you, I will. And it's like 21 studies of Monte Carlo non-parametrical statistics, something like that. And at her service, her mentor revealed that one study would have been enough for a dissertation. She did 21, right? And this is back in 1999 when

computers aren't what they are. Like she would have to start the computer to run the stats at school and then go over to school the next morning to check if they had ran properly. So this is a big deal. So anyways, my mother was spectacular. My father was spectacular too. And then I lost my mother like very suddenly. This was like on vacation. We, no one saw it coming very suddenly. And my father and I, our extent of our relationship was like, hey dad, is mom home?

Kim Rapach (24:38.142)
Yeah. Yeah.

Capella (24:58.923)
Like that was the extent of me and my father's relationship. So when my mom passed, I really had to embrace my father. know, I just take care of him. The oldest, he hadn't been on his own in over 40 years. And you know, just really embrace my father. And then for the next 10 years, my father and I developed this humongous, amazing, wonderful relationship. Like if you knew us, you would say, Capella, I can't even imagine you and your father not being close. You guys seem, you know, like two peas in a pod.

And then I found myself, even when she passed, I immediately jumped to gratitude. was like, all right, I lost my mom, but I still have my brothers. I still have my father. I still have my grandparents. I still have my cousins. It's not like the universe says, OK, we gave you a big blow. We're going to leave you alone. You can get a second big blow. This happens. So you have to, OK, I'm just going to sit in this gratitude for everyone that I had.

As time went on, my father and I developed this great relationship, and then I found myself being grateful that my mom passed first, right? And that's just a crazy thing to say, like, I'm so grateful my mom passed first. Because, I mean, one of them has to pass, unless they do it together, you don't want that, but one of them has to pass first. And if my father would have passed first, I never, ever, ever, ever would have experienced this relationship. I never would have known that man, like, I know him now. And so...

Kim Rapach (26:25.677)
Yeah.

Capella (26:27.149)
I found myself just being very grateful that my mom passed first and gave me an opportunity to learn from my father. My father actually just recently passed, which really stinks, but I got my brothers. And so now I'm getting to know my brothers, which I'm pretty close with them. So it's an extreme and it might be triggering, but I do want people to understand, I'm not taking it lightly. am just, you have to, that's how I dealt with it.

Kim Rapach (26:37.976)
Yeah.

Yeah, well...

Kim Rapach (26:55.31)
Sure. Well, and we can have more than one emotion at the same time. We can feel grief and gratitude at the same time. I think some people or a lot of people tend to think that feelings and emotions are binary and you have one at a time. And if you have a bad one, then clean it up fast and get back to the good ones. And really just go through them. And, you know, when you have that perspective, like what you're talking about, it's, still hurts. The pain is still there.

But when you have purpose that comes behind it, changes everything.

Capella (27:32.109)
Yeah. So I think your question was, what do I do? I don't know how I got on that long story cam. I'm so sorry. But what I do?

Kim Rapach (27:40.846)
I just trust the timing. Trust it all. I'm surrendered. I trust it all. It's all good. It's all good.

Capella (27:46.657)
How about that? Much like you, when I go into organizations, and I don't go into organizations and ask them what's wrong. I go into organizations and I say what's working. So that's the first thing I do. I work with organizations, temporary and permanent, so it could be a set, that is 10 day long set, a three year long set, a three day set, or it could be a permanent organization.

And I create systems that help people work together better, be more collaborative, be more trusting, be more creative, thus helping the final product, ideally thus helping the bottom line.

Kim Rapach (28:30.486)
Absolutely. Yeah. That's amazing. think having someone on set, you have someone, what do you identify them as? A wellbeing producer?

Capella (28:42.315)
Well, well-being producer, well-being coordinator. know, when we got out of COVID and then there was all these protocols for COVID, right? You had a COVID coordinator, had to do ABCD. So when we got out of that double strike, I felt like there was something that should have been much like that, like a well-being producer, well-being coordinator. So my real titles are...

Production Whisper and Production Wolf. I don't know if you've seen that anywhere, but. Well, Production Whisper is what I promote because it's preventative. It gives people an opportunity to bring me in. I can set up the structures, help with the hiring, overall vibe of how we're gonna treat each other on this set for the duration. The Production Wolf is called in when.

Kim Rapach (29:15.256)
I saw the whisper, I didn't see the wolf.

Capella (29:38.901)
I am not there from the beginning and it's more corrective. So if something has gone completely awry, the talent is at each of their throats, the director's at risk for walking off, the studio's gonna pull funds. So if something has gone completely awry that potentially could prevent this from crossing the finish line, then that's when the wolf will come in. Obviously the wolf is more expensive. You want the whisperer.

Kim Rapach (30:07.15)
And so you hire coordinators and other people and you're managing that to make sure you're creating a synergy as much as possible.

Capella (30:18.247)
So, no, they're like the film coordinators? Like the film crew? I don't...

Kim Rapach (30:23.384)
just well-being, well-being, yeah, and the hiring process. You mentioned the hiring process.

Capella (30:30.069)
Usually I'm with the producers and the studio execs when they're hiring their HODs. Because what I find is you could be a director or a producer or a studio exec that values well-being and values collaboration and inclusion. But if you hire one wrong person that doesn't have those same values in a department head capacity,

or a line producer or a UPM or anyone that, AD that's leading your set, that can, that group contagion of, it could be gossip or the zero sum game or dragging people down, that will spread because they have that everyday influence over your crew. So when I say hiring, I'm usually involved in

the hiring of the HODs, the UPM line producer, to make sure that they hold and are open to the same values that the producers are.

Kim Rapach (31:38.698)
I love that so much because, you know, even in your personal life, when you live outside of your values, you're going to experience stress, right? And so why would it not be any different at work or in an organization or on a film set? Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. When I hired people, I used to have a therapy practice when I hired clinicians, I would interview them once or twice. And then if, if I liked them and it was, you know, a move ahead, then my husband and I would take them and their partner out to dinner and just have, you know, casual conversation around the table, you know, and just seeing how people treat servers and how they talk to each other, how they treat each other. And then if it was a still move ahead.

If we both gave the green light, then I would do a final interview. but you know, the reason for that is in the reason I mentioned this, because you're talking about values. If someone doesn't match your values, if they don't have healthy values, they're bringing it to your place of work. They're bringing it to your organization. They're bringing it to your project and it will get real messy if you don't catch it ahead of time. And who wants to have to hire wolves.

Capella (32:54.093)
Now it does.

Kim Rapach (33:00.748)
I mean, I'm glad you're there and all, I think the whisper sounds like a much better option. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

Capella (33:04.365)
Preventative is always better.

Kim Rapach (33:11.424)
So are there any experiences in the film industry particularly that you see or have seen?

that would, I don't know how I wanna phrase this, but that cause you to advocate more for talent, struggling artists or artists who are struggling with their mental health.

Capella (33:37.313)
Do you know about my film survey? Okay. Yeah. So I have a film survey that's for crew and talent. And I feel very strongly that the guilds and the unions have a responsibility to us and that their workshops should not just be on copay or...

Kim Rapach (33:40.758)
Yes. The well-being survey? Yes.

Capella (34:07.337)
Waukee Protocol, I don't know, that they really have to have programs throughout the year to support us. And I know for a fact, from being on set and from having friends that are talent, these are extremely dedicated, passionate people. It is a hard business.

It's hard to get noticed. It's hard to get auditions. It's hard to get gigs. It's hard on set. And it really goes to on set. And I have people tell me this all the time. And it's just like how you said, how you gauge how people treat servers. Right? So background set, background talent on my set?

are as important as the producer or director or the caterer.

Kim Rapach (35:09.408)
I'm so glad you said that and that that is your value. Can I just tell you real quick a story? My son is an actor and he's been on some Chicago shows and has done a few things here and there. And I just thought, you know, I mean, I've driven him back and forth to so many auditions and I thought, you know, I think maybe I'll just apply to be, I'll audition to be an extra and it'll be fun. And I'll just have my one day on set and it'll be an experience and it'll be an adventure.

Capella (35:15.181)
Peace.

Kim Rapach (35:38.41)
It was one of the most miserable experiences of my life from being run all over with handful of wardrobe being sent from this location to that location outside in the rain. And then, you know, to being told that I couldn't eat, you know, you, the extra sit over there and you were segregated and then ended up, I had, still had my wardrobe and I had a coat or something. And someone was like, why do you have your coat?

Capella (35:59.213)
segregated and then ended up, I had to still have.

Kim Rapach (36:07.054)
was like, I was just sent over here and it was like, go take it back. And then they cut me. And was just like, my gosh, for talk about like connecting with your younger child, that was a really uncomfortable. What's the word? Just not disrespectful, but grading. Devaluing, degrading.

Capella (36:23.571)
Devaluing. Depleting.

Capella (36:28.759)
Depleting. It sucks your soul.

Kim Rapach (36:32.642)
Yes, and I was so distraught. You know, being the parent of talent and having a young person and having the main talent, it was always a really great experience. So I was naively expecting similar, not so much. I love that you have that as a value. Thank you.

Capella (36:56.237)
can't say enough about that and that really is the basis of the work that I've done and the thesis that I've written for my masters is this idea of how we treat each other.

How do we treat, it's such a simple thing, how we treat each other. So Kim, some of that stuff might have not been avoidable, going back and forth, being in the rain. Some of that stuff may not have been avoidable, but would it had been palatable if you were sincerely valued, appreciated, you felt like they valued you and you added value to the set, you were necessary.

Kim Rapach (37:40.19)
No, I did not feel that way. But it would have absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I just felt like everybody was irritated and rude, and really didn't care about and you know, when you see the discrepancy between the main talent and your background actors, and it's so vastly different. That's a terrible feeling.

Capella (37:41.606)
but it have changed things.

And that costs zero money.

Capella (38:05.869)
It's a terrible feeling.

Kim Rapach (38:07.34)
I will go back and say, I I left with gratitude just for knowing the experience and having that experience and knowing, you know, what people go through and how, like you said, how hard people work, how passionate they are and how they continue to show up. I mean, I was at the lunch table with people who do this, you know, day after day after day to make a living.

Capella (38:29.941)
Yeah. And not only do it day after day after day, they fight really hard to do it day after day. It's not like it's given to them. They have to fight really hard to do that day after day after day. And that, I'm going to say, that comes from the top. It really does. If you are, and this is what I talk about, if you're a leader that values

Kim Rapach (38:37.932)
Yup.

Kim Rapach (38:43.64)
Yep.

Capella (38:59.219)
Optimized creativity through creating community that value each other that are grateful for each other that collaborate with each other that include each other that are kind to each other and then you hire your HODs your heads of departments and your line producer UPM AD that feel the same way that will trickle down to everyone

including background talent.

Capella (39:38.167)
So I have these 10, I put it out there, it's really, I'd say it's the blueprint to creating a positive production where you don't even have to hire me because obviously I'm only one person, I can't be everywhere, but I want these ideas to be everywhere. So I put out this 10 film set essentials to enhance trust connection and the bottom line. So one thing is,

Kim Rapach (39:49.26)
Mm.

Capella (40:06.805)
this idea of leaders engaging. I feel strongly that leaders one should have open door policies because transient organizations often have to follow many of the rules of permanent organizations. And having a leader that integrates themselves, you know, so if you were at the crafty table getting coffee, the next thing you know, the director or somebody,

Kim Rapach (40:23.757)
Mm-hmm.

Capella (40:35.137)
walks up to you and says, what's your name? Kim, what do you do? I'm background. my goodness, thank you so much. I know it's hard. I know it's a long day. Thank you for being here. You know, I mean, that doesn't cost anything.

Kim Rapach (40:48.718)
And those were the experiences I was used to having with my son, even when he was first, know, when he was little doing background stuff, those were the experiences I was used to having. It wasn't what I was expecting. When we started, I was terrified and I expected negativity, but you know, I learned quickly when you have a child, you treat them well so that you get the best performance out of them. So we always just had a lot of fun and he was treated really well. So yeah, but it seemed like it was at every

Station right it was from wardrobe to crafty to lunch to the actual set and it was just like Yeah, it was like being a pinball in a pinball machine with all the sounds and sirens going off and it's a little disorienting to be honest, you know

Capella (41:33.547)
Yeah, well, I'm sorry you had that experience. I don't actually, I'm sad to say I don't think it's unusual. I think that's probably the norm. The main feedback that I get, and I do anything on set. Like there's been sets where I was the shuttle. I was the shuttle driver because all the PAs were wrapped up. And so I was the first person or sometimes the last person that people would see because I was shuttling from their car to the set. And...

And nobody would know who I was. They would assume that I was like a PA or whatever. I would just introduce myself as Capella. And a lot of the times, because one thing I do, and I talk about this in my 10 Essential Things, is I have a pre and post feedback loop. So we survey everyone that starts a production. We survey them on their general opinions on the film industry, but also their experiences on their last

set, right? And so it's almost like that Hawthorne effect, which I'm obsessed with the Hawthorne experiment. And just so people know, it's just the idea of paying attention to people changes their behavior, right? So just, you know, I began to think that it may not be the actual quantitative and qualitative answers that are in these surveys as much as it is asking people for their opinions and experiences.

Kim Rapach (42:35.01)
brilliant.

Capella (43:01.613)
because that's everyone I would hear all the time. I've never had a set ask me for my opinion. And these would be like big burly guys or stars or crew or, I've never been asked my opinion.

Again, it costs nothing.

Kim Rapach (43:21.614)
Yeah, I'm so glad you're in the industry. I'm so glad you're making these changes. They're so necessary.

Capella (43:29.389)
The other thing is, you might find this with your son. A lot of my papers are written on this too, because technology has changed the game. And these Gen Zers, they are not going for the BS that us Gen Xers and millennials felt like we had to do. Because if you wanted to get in the industry, you would have to knock on the door, do pushups, wait your turn.

deal with all the negative behavior because you had to pay your dues, because you had to get close to the big equipment, the big studios, the big contacts, the big stars. That's not the case anymore. Like these kids, they have the technology in their hand to make their own movies, create an app and distribute it, monetize it.

be making themselves stars. Like the game has just changed. And I'm so excited about our Gen Zers. And a lot of the work that I do, our Gen Xers sort of saying, Gen Zers, they don't want to do the work. They don't want to pay their dues. What dues? It's different. There's no more dues now. Like, you know, it's different. And these guys are so freaking like passionate and talented. And like they thrill me to no end. I love our Gen Zers.

Kim Rapach (44:37.325)
Right?

Kim Rapach (44:49.634)
Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, my son is currently in Colorado. We live in Chicago, in the suburbs. And he's in just outside of Denver on a film crew. He's, he's usually the talent or he's the filmmaker. And now he's crew. And he's doing like, what do call it grip? grip and lights or something? grip and electric. Yeah. So and it's just really good experience to play a different role and, you know, serve a different way and have a different

Capella (45:03.565)
Capella (45:07.373)
Uh-huh. Yeah, grip and electric, uh-huh. Yeah.

Kim Rapach (45:19.766)
level of impact on a film.

Capella (45:21.687)
So Kim, now I've shot in Denver a couple times in my life. It was so wonderful that I really was thinking about moving there as a filmmaker. I was like, I want to make my life here. maybe, I mean, all my sets are good, but I just felt like that particular crew was just so technically knowledgeable, but also just so.

Kim Rapach (45:40.91)
the

Capella (45:50.413)
kind and collaborative and patient and just like they didn't have agenda. Like they were there for the shared goal. Like it was like true filmmaking to me. How was his experience?

Kim Rapach (46:03.704)
Well, he's actually there with a director whom he served as an actor in one of her projects. And so I don't think that many of them are probably local to the Denver area. They're probably from all over because, you know, you put a crew together that you like and stick to what you know and who you know and who works well together. So part of the reason he was excited to go was to see some friends that he was on set with as talent.

Capella (46:21.249)
Yeah, I'm trial.

Capella (46:31.981)
Good, good, good. Well, shout out to the Denver filmmakers. They're off the hook.

Kim Rapach (46:33.271)
Yeah.

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, fun. Yeah, we've gotten a couple pictures. It's cold, but it's so beautiful there.

Capella (46:42.285)
Mmm

Kim Rapach (46:45.675)
So.

I want to ask you, what do you do on a regular basis to maintain your own mental health? Because I, I have the perspective, you know, we live in a world again, it can be binary, like there's people with mental illness, and then there's people without. And I am more about promoting mental wellness. I do focus on trauma, I do somatic work. But I also think that as our

Capella (47:00.039)
I do focus on trauma. do somatic work.

But I also think that as our perspective, as our narrative, if we can shift from a place of illness to wellness, we can have a greater impact. And also to understand, there's not like, like you don't have mental health issues and then I don't. It's we all have mental health and we all need to protect it just like we do our physical health. So my question is, what do you do on a regular basis to protect the boat?

Kim Rapach (47:17.09)
perspective as our narrative, if we can shift from a place of illness to wellness, we can have a greater impact. And also to understand there's not like, like you don't have mental health issues and then I don't. It's we all have mental health and we all need to protect it just like we do our physical health. So my question is what do you do on a regular basis to protect, promote, take care of your mental health?

Capella (47:50.391)
First of all, your question assumes that I have mental health. Sometimes I don't know. Because I agree, we are all on this continuum. And it's dynamic.

Kim Rapach (48:08.727)
Absolutely.

Capella (48:09.485)
One thing I would say, know, people always ask me what positive psychology is. What's positive psychology?

And my father used to always challenge me on that too, it's positive psychology. So I wanna give a tiny definition about it first so people understand. It was developed about 25 years ago by Martin Seligman who still teaches at the University of Pennsylvania, he's one of my instructors, he's still there. He is one of the most spectacularly curious humans I've ever seen. Like right now his focus, he's 80 or maybe just turned 81.

His focus is AI. He is so into AI and understanding AI right now. And just remarkably curious, always writing, always researching, and just open. He's an inspiration. So he was the president of the APA 25 years ago, and they asked him what his initiative was gonna be for his presidency, and he said positive psychology.

And so the way that we define positive psychology is sort of, if you look at that line of zero, neutral, right? Below it is maybe some of the mental ill health, like addiction, depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies, that type of thing. Say that's below zero. And then above zero is flourishing.

So traditionally, psychology is always try to figure out how to get all of us under zero up to zero, but had not spent much time studying those that are at zero and above zero. So that's what positive psychology does. It is a science. It has had a tremendous amount of growth and research and empirical data over the last 25 years.

Capella (51:08.301)
So what I do to maintain some sort of well-being is the number one is gratitude. That is 100 % number one, waking up with your blessings. Like one of my blessings that I wake up every morning and I'm thankful for is that I get up and I can pee on my own every morning. Like that's a big deal. I can get out of bed, go pee on my own.

then my fingers and toes, then. The other thing is, Kim, is community. Like, community, I cannot say enough. There's a study, and I will get you the study if you want to put it in the show notes, that has found that loneliness can increase morbidity more than alcoholism, smoking, obesity. Loneliness?

is a disease, we as humans have got to be connected. And any well-being model, there's plenty, plenty, plenty of well-being models that have all different elements and factors. But the one thing that remains consistent in every single one is relationships, connection. Like it's essential. So connection, gratitude, family, friends, community, you.

talking about this stuff is how I maintain any decent size of well-being in my life.

Kim Rapach (52:45.622)
Yeah. Well, I love that you said we're all on a continuum. And I do I think, you know, people who have, and myself included in this category, but people who have complex trauma, real high levels, early age trauma, have things that they have to unhook from have things that they have to untether from have developed coping skills that likely are unhealthy, or unhelpful. And then, you know, I think there's little t traumas, and there's big t traumas.

And there's people, you know, who maybe got made fun of on the playground and, but like, they don't like to go into crowds now, or they don't like to be on stage. And these are all things that we can untether from if we understand the story. Combined with, you know, similar work to what you do, where you are fighting on your own behalf and you are working on your, know, not only your mindset, but your entire wellness. by the way, one of the other pillars of the four pillars of

optimal mental health that I talk about is connection. So it's that community. That's so important. I don't know if you know of her, but there's a filmmaker in South Africa who did a film on suicide and about the importance of loneliness and how community can reduce suicide. And they even have like a

Capella (53:59.201)
the importance of loneliness and how community can reduce suicide.

Kim Rapach (54:08.91)
project where they're building benches and training people on how just to be present with other people and just certain people will station themselves from 4 to 6 p.m. And if you want to sit with someone they're not counselors, they're not therapists, they're not coaches, but it's community and it's connection because it's a lifesaver. It's necessary.

Capella (54:24.585)
Mm-hmm

And isn't that interesting that here we are as filmmakers and creatives and we're invited to community every day. Like if we got a gig, say we got a 10 day gig and we're invited to like-minded community every day.

and we're not flourishing from that, that makes no sense. What a missed opportunity of 10 days for all of us to be together.

Kim Rapach (54:48.462)
Mm-mm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

Capella (54:55.851)
Like when people leave my jobs, usually when you leave independent films, you are like completely depleted. Like literally, you need to crawl under a rock for like four days or a week just to like regain some sense about yourself. My goal is always when people leave my jobs that they are energized, that they have learned something, that they want to spread.

Because you're spending 10 days with like amazing humans. You should be energized. You should have learned stuff. You should want to share it.

Kim Rapach (55:25.198)
Hmm.

Kim Rapach (55:30.51)
So where do you think that that falls with, you know, we know actors say end a project, you know, and they go through that, that dip in their mood. They go through that depression, the project's over. They did have a great time. They did have a great director. They had great, a great team and now it's over. And I don't think people talk enough about that, about what happens when the project's over. So I'm, my assumption that I'm making is that

the work that you do on the sets with the teams that you work with actually help combat that when the project's over.

Capella (56:05.985)
I hope so, but I know the exact feeling. I've felt it many, many times. And you know what came out of that? My podcast, One Is Now, because I'll tell you a quick, I'm gonna make this story quick. One of the biggest films I ever produced, it was really hard. Yeah, one of the biggest, that's okay. So yes, that dip, that depression of,

Kim Rapach (56:19.298)
You don't have to, I have all day.

Kim Rapach (56:24.844)
Wait, can you start that over? Because I think I interrupted you.

Capella (56:37.185)
that you feel when a project is over is real. I mean, I still feel it. And the first thing I want to say about that is that's where really the genesis with some other things of the podcast or the saying, when is now. So this saying, when is now came from when I finished my first like big kind of commercial film hit.

It was the hardest thing I ever did. Like it was miserable. It was unfunded. It was difficult. It was full of egos. It was so hard. And all I wanted to do is get this thing sold. And so we had this big giant gala premiere and everything was great. And it was a red carpet and blah, blah, blah. And the talent and the press and yes, everything you could imagine. And the next morning I thought I would be elated. I was so depressed. It was almost like I had lost my best friend.

This like weight that was sitting on my shoulders for seven years was gone. And it was really like I lost my best friend. I was a little lost. And that's when I realized that

It is not about these milestones. So yes, we are working five years to finish a film or 10 days to finish a film and all you wanna do is you wanna get it to the finish line, like the milestone. You wanna cross the finish line. Life is not about these milestones. They are far and few between, right? Like I've done three marathons, I've trained for them for six months and I cross the finish line in two seconds. Well really like five hours and two seconds, but.

Kim Rapach (58:17.262)
Sure.

Capella (58:18.975)
It's all like, you know, if you're thinking about it, it's miserable, miserable, miserable for six months and five hours for that two seconds to cross the finish line. That makes zero sense. It makes zero sense that I work on a film for six years for a two hour premiere. That makes zero sense. That is, life is not these milestones. Life is the journey. One.

Thousand percent and I learned it the most with that film because I was like hold up six years for that If I get it what and it made me realize like hold all of this the good the bad the ugly the ups the downs being broke being abundant everything is The moments the journey like this is the life. It is not the milestones so that's the first thing I would say to that because You're absolutely right there

That dip when a project is over is real. The second thing I would say is I'm okay with dips. You know, like you have to sit in it. You have to feel it. You have to observe it. And then what are you gonna do with it? Ideally, you're going to talk to people about it. They're gonna share their experiences. gonna share their experiences. Then you start, you know, the adrenaline might start and the momentum might start again.

And then you start out, well, I did learn this. I did meet this person. I do need to connect with this person. I'm excited about seeing this. And I heard about that film. it's just like getting on a bike going up a hill, right? It's a bit of a, eventually you get back on your feet and on your momentum. But I'm always about feeling it. But it's real.

Kim Rapach (01:00:04.834)
Yeah. And I love that because you're merging, you know, when you're talking about what did I take away from this? You have to sit in it. You have to sit in the hard, sit in the, the, after the project is over, sit in that depression, move through it. And then you're talking about the gratitude, right? And the perspective shift of what did I learn? Who did I meet? You know, it's not about the milestones. It's about the journey. It's about the people I meet along the way. It's about the learning, you know, all the lessons. What would you say to.

a young artist who says, you know, whatever, I'm 32. And I thought I'd be further along in my acting career than I am. I haven't made it yet. What would you say to them? You're smiling.

Capella (01:00:49.549)
I would say, I mean, I think we would all say that, you know, I'm this age and I'm not where I thought I would be. I'm not where I think I should be. I'm not, you know, I have this credential. have that. It just does not happen like that. It just doesn't happen like that. It is a journey. There is I'm a big believer. I'm probably to a fault. I'm a big believer.

that nothing hap- you are never-

I don't believe like I come from a very working class family. went to all Detroit public schools. I worked very, very hard for anything I have. Like nothing was given, like nothing popped off and you know, just like the road was paved. So I am a big believer that being 32 and feeling like you haven't made it is part of the journey because if even if so that person might say, well, I thought I'd be a have a starring role by now.

Okay, so let's just assume by 42 he has a starring role. Well, I thought I'd be in a series by now. know, like if you're in the film industry, you have severe passion and drive, you're never gonna be where you think you are supposed to be. Like it's just, even when you reach that milestone, you've already set another milestone, you've already set another milestone. So that's the whole point of when is now, don't wait for your life to start when you.

book the series or you book the star or your film gets in Sundance, like that's a big mistake. You're gonna miss your whole life. Like these are the days looking for the jobs. These are the days booking the small jobs.

Capella (01:02:38.317)
I just, if you would have asked me 30 years ago where you gonna be in 30 years, I wouldn't have said here. I would have said something, I don't know, different, bigger, grander. You'd be ruling all production of the universe. But instead I'm ruling the ones that I rule and it works out really well.

Kim Rapach (01:02:55.721)
Ha ha ha

Kim Rapach (01:03:02.838)
Right, right. Well, and you you talk a lot about, you know, the mindset and the positive psychology. You know, there's at one side of my mouth, I could say the same thing like, well, I'm not, I'm not where I thought I'd be, or I'm not where I want to be. But on the other side of my mouth, I could say, my gosh, look what I've done. Look what I have built. Look what I've been through.

Look what I've triumphed over. Look what I've overcome and look at this life that I have built. And you know, from a kid who grew up in a trailer, I mean, if you'd asked me what I, where I was going to be, it wouldn't be here. would be, it probably would have been less, right? It probably would have been, I don't know, waitressing, you know, 50 years old and you know, divorced several times and lots of kids and dogs. I don't know.

but I have a happy life and I love my life and I'm grateful for it. And I've worked really hard to build it. And when you talk about gratitude practices, I don't take that for granted. It wasn't, if you look at statistics, I'm not supposed to be here. And so I'm very grateful to be here literally and figuratively.

Capella (01:04:25.613)
I'd love, I mean, I agree. I'm right there with you and thank you for sharing that. That the 32 year old.

Kim Rapach (01:04:30.115)
Yeah.

Capella (01:04:34.281)
is grateful, they should be grateful that they are able to go on auditions.

You know, there are things that, you know, I always talk about the obvious stuff and it's like, obvious stuff, like be on time. And in production, everybody knows on time is early, right? If you're on time, you're actually late. Be on time, work hard, be kind, pay attention. Like you said, on the park bench and you're sitting with someone, pay attention. Don't like look over their shoulder to see if there's someone more important that you should be speaking to. Be enthusiastic, be passionate, have a good attitude. Be humble in this crazy industry.

Kim Rapach (01:04:55.224)
Yeah. Right.

Capella (01:05:16.235)
Be humble. So much can come to you out of humility. Have a good attitude. Like there, I think there are very small things that we can do with zero money, zero talent. To help and grateful is like near the top for me.

Kim Rapach (01:05:32.398)
Yeah. I mean, we think about like be the change that you want to see in the world. Be what the industry needs. Start there. Because if you start there, you're very powerful already. Because that already tells me you have values, you have resiliency, you have integrity, you're authentic, and you are far more powerful than you realize.

Capella (01:05:40.339)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Capella (01:05:55.575)
Mm-hmm.

Capella (01:05:59.627)
Yeah, I agree. The one thing I will say, the last thing I will say is I recognize that producers and studio execs and directors have 10,000 things on their head. And I don't want to take away the fact that, it doesn't cost anything to speak to somebody or learn someone's name or make sure that they're there, but it does take energy. And energy can be finite, right?

And so I do want to say that and respect that it is very hard to get a film across the finish line. so, yeah, so sometimes just like a producer cannot do costumes, they hire someone to do costumes. there is, to me, when a producer hires someone like me to focus on this, it's not because they can't.

or they don't want to, or they don't value it, it's the opposite. They do value it and they know that it requires full attention. So I just wanted to take a moment of respect that producers are doing a lot and have a lot on their plate. But I don't take away the fact that they can still be kind.

Kim Rapach (01:07:15.48)
Yeah, I appreciate that. And I respect that. And, you know, we're for all the people, right? So directors and producers also will probably find increased energy by engaging in what you're teaching. And maybe they can't, you know, they can't be the liaison on the ground 24 seven, but I think they, find energy from it too. And even hiring someone like you.

Capella (01:07:39.949)
that you can find the energy to.

Kim Rapach (01:07:44.226)
that creates the shift in energy on the entire set gives them more energy to be able to push that project across the finish line. Like it's a win-win all the way around.

Capella (01:07:44.781)
That's right.

Capella (01:07:53.323)
That's It is. That's right. And I love that you use energy. I'm a big, you know, I mean, energy is a real thing. It's quantifiable. There's books written on it. And when you walk in a room, three things happen or if somebody walks in a room, three things happen. One, the room lights up. Two, they suck all the life out of the room. Or three, it remains neutral. Right. There's four type of identified energies. It's relational, emotional,

Kim Rapach (01:08:02.796)
Yep. Yep.

Capella (01:08:23.645)
mental and physical. The last three, the mental, emotional, physical, when you use it, it kind of drains. You need a moment to replenish it. Relational, it replenishes itself real time. And just like you said, like you're giving me energy, I'm giving you energy, it's replenishing itself. It's like really the only one that revives and replenishes itself.

Kim Rapach (01:08:49.966)
Yeah, yeah, we need people.

We need like-minded people. I'm so glad I met you. So tell us about what you're doing. You do coaching, consulting, speaking, podcasting. You have quizzes. I mean, you've got a lot of resources. Tell us, like, how people can find you, but also what do you do? Who's your ideal client?

Capella (01:09:14.295)
Mm,

Capella (01:09:18.637)
So people can find me at CapellaForHome.com. Yes, I do coach, consult, and facilitate. And well, my partners are going to kill me. The young people, I pretty much coach for free. The young people, but I do it through TikTok.

Kim Rapach (01:09:28.866)
Who do you coach?

Kim Rapach (01:09:39.788)
We'll cut that out.

Capella (01:09:46.381)
You know, I'm always putting stuff up that, you know, people say, well, Capella, you're giving them the blueprint. They can do it themselves. I'm like, that's fine. Let them do it themselves. But if they want to, then I have once a month what I call office hours because young people always want to, you know, can I spend time with you? Can I prick your brain? And normally, I give that out pretty freely, but I, like, kind of run out of time to give that out freely. So now I do office hours. Well, I will accept, like, maybe 20 people. It's the second Wednesday of every month, 20 people. And we just have a candid conversation.

And, but my clients tend to be like, you know, studio decks, producers, and not only in the film industry, I have clients that are in education, nonprofit, and really just anyone that wants to make their team, senior leadership teams, better. Because I do believe that once we can mold this up top of how we treat people, it trickles down.

Kim Rapach (01:10:47.628)
Well, and the relational piece that you just said, the energy that goes back and forth, we all give content away, right? Is it time to go?

Capella (01:10:57.197)
I'm sorry, I thought I turned that off. I'm so sorry. I thought I put on airplane mode.

Kim Rapach (01:11:01.986)
No worries. you know, this relational energy that we give back and forth, you know, increases for both parties. I think that the content that we give is building trust. It's, it's like, I don't need, I had somebody do this to me once online. I had asked if they wanted to collaborate and they said, after you buy my book. And I was like, unfollow.

Capella (01:11:21.645)
I had asked if they wanted to collaborate and they said after you buy my book.

Kim Rapach (01:11:31.746)
by. Because if that's the bottom line, and I had already bought a t shirt.

Capella (01:11:33.229)
Yeah, I mean they would have been like I'll buy any book, but that's yeah

Kim Rapach (01:11:39.47)
Like, if that's all you're worried about, people know that, people know. I'll talk to you after you buy my course, I'll do this, da da. Like, there's a time where you have to do that because you have to protect your energy and you have to protect your time and it is finite. But also giving people content that if they want to take it and run and be better and be healthier for it, I'm here for it.

Capella (01:12:06.785)
Yeah.

Kim Rapach (01:12:08.022)
anybody, any coach I've ever hired, it's because I use the free stuff they gave me and I trusted them and I wanted to get closer and I wanted more mentorship or a stronger coaching relationship. And yeah, I love that you're doing that.

Capella (01:12:12.162)
Yeah. Well, because we as coaches, we just want people to be better. And then, yes, secondary, we'd like to pay our rent. But primary is to help people. 100%. My cousin was helping me with my social media.

Kim Rapach (01:12:30.786)
Yes.

Capella (01:12:40.065)
And she's like, all right, all right, and we'll put the cell at the end. And I was like, I don't have a cell. She's like, what do you mean? I was like, no, this is just information that people need to know. She's like, yeah, we can do that easy. Like, yeah. But the other thing is, Kim, that these young folks that I help, one, they give me a tremendous amount of insight. So when the clients, the execs, the producers, the Gen Xers hire me, I have an idea of sort of.

Kim Rapach (01:12:49.144)
You

Capella (01:13:09.003)
what the Gen Zers are thinking, what's important to them, what's their purpose. The other thing is, these guys are so magnificent, they're gonna be execs in three years and they'll hire me then, so I don't worry about it. It'll all come back.

Kim Rapach (01:13:21.038)
That's right. Trust the timing, trust the process. What's your next project? If you're able to say

Capella (01:13:25.165)
Mm-hmm.

Capella (01:13:30.187)
No, I am. So I have a book that's coming out. It's not the Outsiders Guide, the Outsiders Guide, girl, that's a whole nother beast, but it's called Good People Make Great Leaders. And it is honestly all the stuff. It's an easy read, you know, because everybody says, write the book you want to read. So it has like big font and small words. It's simple. And it just reminds people of stuff that they already know.

It's entertaining. It sounds and acts just like me. Yeah, and but it really is like, you know, the chapters are, it's good people make great leaders. So it's the chapters are make kind leaders, make authentic leaders, emotionally intelligent leaders, collaborative leaders, curious and energetic, innovative and trustworthy. And I like that you said trust because

Kim Rapach (01:14:03.49)
Awesome.

Capella (01:14:26.765)
I really think anything in a world can be solved with trust. when I talk to high-powered execs, I ask them, what do they think is the most important? There's three pillars in trust. There's a lot of models, but I follow the credibility, competency, and care. What do you think is more important? And they fluctuate between credibility and competency is more important. And then I always kind of say, look, look who you are. Look where you are. We're going to assume you're credible and you're competent, but do you care?

And that's always where people want to do the work.

Kim Rapach (01:14:59.0)
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Thank you.

Anything else that you want our listeners to know about you or are you Capella for whom on TikTok?

Capella (01:15:08.749)
I'm Capella F. Yep, Capella F on TikTok and Instagram. I'm mostly, I'm very active on LinkedIn and then capellafoam.com. And I really, if you go to capellafoam.com, you can take, it pops up right away, the Filmmakers Survey. So any creatives, filmmakers, talent, please take that because we're gathering data of how we are feeling out here and we're gonna take it to the.

Kim Rapach (01:15:12.588)
Okay. Okay.

Capella (01:15:38.305)
the unions and the guilds and let them know how their membership is feeling. I think that that's important and then we can design stuff that take care of us and hold us. But I just want to say to everybody that I'm proud of you guys. Like nothing is easy, especially in this industry, but it's worth it. And we're getting to do what we love every day in different, you know, it might not feel like it, but honestly, like being able to go on an audition is a privilege.

Kim Rapach (01:15:47.918)
Yeah.

Kim Rapach (01:16:09.728)
that. Thank you. Thank you for your work. You're so delightful. I hope everyone comes and finds you because you're so delightful. When will the book be out? I know I'm bouncing but when will the book come out?

Capella (01:16:19.149)
Thank you.

Capella (01:16:22.765)
Yep, early 2024 or 2025. So by February.

Kim Rapach (01:16:26.336)
Okay. Okay, great. Like I already saw faces of people I want to pick it up for. So exciting. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Well, thank you for being here. Thank you for being a warrior. Thank you for contributing so much heart and passion and soul and care to the industry. And yeah, just thank you. I'm just really grateful. Yeah. Bye.

Capella (01:16:31.309)
Aww, thank you.

Capella (01:16:48.237)
Thank you, Kim. All right, bye.